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Positive Reconciliation Stories

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forgettableDad ( member #72192) posted at 8:40 PM on Tuesday, December 8th, 2020

Would you not agree that reconciliation isn't a marriage? It's a stepping stone back into a married relationship between the two partners. A way to heal the rift. Once that healing is done then surely the marriage happens? And a marriage still requires daily work that isn't part of the reconciliation process, no?

My husband thinks we have a great marriage. We moved forward. We have not reconciled.

You say "we have not reconciled". But you've reconciled on something. You've accepted something, you've moved forward into a compromise. You both need to maintain that compromise or, and it sounds like it in your case, he lives in a fantasy and you're living dishonestly - which, like anything, has a price.

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DevastatedDee ( member #59873) posted at 8:49 PM on Tuesday, December 8th, 2020

You'll notice that there is no disclaimer on SI that says Surviving Infidelity for BS only.

I just, ff, I don't mean to be insulting. I have no personal beef with you. I am glad that this site encourages waywards to also survive infidelity and become better people. Of course it does. I can't pretend that there isn't a one who did wrong and one who was wronged part of this whole infidelity thing, though. I am a madhatter and I did a wrong thing. I can't pretend that it's okay that your BS doesn't even know that she's a BS. She isn't surviving infidelity. She's ignorant of it. I didn't have to tell about my own infidelity, but I did. He would never in a million years have known and hell, I could even justify it to myself that he deserved it if I wanted to. All that telling got me was him using it to make himself the victim. I could have not told and ridden on my unblemished high horse out of that failed marriage. There was no reason for me to taint my good name, aside from the fact that honesty was the right thing even though there was no benefit to me and only pain for both of us coming from it. But truth matters. It just does. I cannot be on a site about healing from infidelity and pretend that sometimes it's cool to lie forever. There's no equivalency for the harm done to the BS and the harm done by the WS to the WS. The BS is much more harmed and experiences much more trauma and it was not self-inflicted. It isn't mean or judgy for me to say so. It's just true. I mean, we're not pretending here that infidelity is something like a natural disaster that just randomly happened to both the WS and the BS, are we? Like an earthquake or a tornado?

[This message edited by DevastatedDee at 2:54 PM, December 8th (Tuesday)]

DDay: 06/07/2017
MH - RA on DDay.
Divorced a serial cheater (prostitutes and lord only knows who and what else).

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 9:02 PM on Tuesday, December 8th, 2020

he lives in a fantasy and you're living dishonestly - which, like anything, has a price.

Quite an assumption.

He knows exactly how I feel. I am not living dishonestly.

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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BraveSirRobin ( member #69242) posted at 9:02 PM on Tuesday, December 8th, 2020

Are we really comparing not knowing how to tell your little boy that the reason he can't play with his buddy,is because mom fucked the father of his best friend..to a grown man having a 7 year affair and not telling his wife?

Apparently so, and just when I thought this thread couldn't go any further off the rails.

FWIW, Thumos, you and I have had our considerable differences and will probably continue to do so, but it has always been evident to me that your children's well-being is central to every decision you make.

WW/BW

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Darkness Falls ( member #27879) posted at 9:14 PM on Tuesday, December 8th, 2020

^^ I agree, and just the other day I saw a reply from him on a post in D/S asking about the age-appropriate way to explain it to his son.

Married -> I cheated -> We divorced -> We remarried -> Had two kids -> Now we’re miserable again

Staying together for the kids

D-day 2010

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Darkness Falls ( member #27879) posted at 9:24 PM on Tuesday, December 8th, 2020

Hellfire, sorry, I missed your reply at first. I can’t recall specific quotes but I have certainly seen WSs who don’t wish to reconcile referred to as unremorseful, even if they have purportedly ended the A and are not leaving the M to be with the OP. I have also seen such WSs referred to as probably still cheating. Ten years ago, I myself was told that accepting without question my H’s decision to divorce me was merely showing him that I didn’t care about the marriage enough to be willing to fight for it. I have simultaneously seen posts saying the WS is a harmful parent for ripping apart their child’s intact family unit if they choose to leave the marriage, but also that the BS is a strong parent and good example when they choose to D because it shows their children that they’re not willing to tolerate the disrespect of their spouse having an A. I have seen it strongly alluded to, many times, that a WS basically has no business talking about their successful reconciliation because it’s almost a guarantee that their BS doesn’t feel the same way.

I feel bad that I don’t have direct quotes to the references in question, but they are from 10 years’ time and I just see things and remember them without copying and pasting.

[This message edited by Darkness Falls at 3:28 PM, December 8th (Tuesday)]

Married -> I cheated -> We divorced -> We remarried -> Had two kids -> Now we’re miserable again

Staying together for the kids

D-day 2010

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DaddyDom ( member #56960) posted at 9:34 PM on Tuesday, December 8th, 2020

I spent some time looking up the legal definition(s) of "reconciliation". While you will get 10 slightly different answers if you look at 10 websites, they all boil down to some form of this:

"Reconciliation is the process of bringing 2 or more people/things into agreement/alignment.

So for example, reconciling your checkbook means you compare your checkbook with your bank statement in order to make sure they "agree" (Match) with each other. If they do not, then they are not reconciled.

Reconciling people means that the two (or more) people all agree on a particular set of terms/ideas to which diverse opinion/experience exists. For example, a kid breaks a neighbors window with a baseball, which causes tension with the neighbor. After the kid apologizes and pays for the bill, the two agree that the friendship can continue as normal.

I urge you all to do the same, to look up definitions. In every single case I've found, any definition of the word involves, at a minimum, TWO people/things/situations. Never ONE. Reconciliation is, at its heart, a divergent comparison, and an acceptable agreement on that comparison. By its very nature and definition, reconciliation CANNOT occur for only one person/entity, because it lacks a comparison/conflict, and a competing idea or experience.

Even if you "reconcile" within yourself, there are still, by the laws of nature, two things involved. "I wanted a cheeseburger, but reconciled with the idea of having a hot dog when I learned the burgers were dry tasting." In a case like this, there is only one person, whose thoughts are at odds with themselves. However the reconciliation was still to decide between two things.

Look, I don't mean to diminish the hard work of WS's who, for various reasons, simply cannot confess, or for whom circumstances have changed. For example, perhaps their spouse died, or left, or is in a coma? Maybe their BS has turned the tables and is threatening them or is dangerous somehow? In those cases, a WS simply has to do the best they can to work on themselves. And they make absolutely remarkable progress and go on to be respected people, it can and does happen. But that person still would not be reconciled with their spouse as a result. They just aren't. If we want to create a new topic called "WS's who have made positive personal progress" then by all means. But even then, how can someone who has not confessed to their spouse claim even so much as personal progress?

That being said...

I will accept FF's reconciliation story the day that his wife comes on SI and posts HER accounting of their successful reconciliation. Until that day, I see someone who cheated on his spouse, never told her, continues to not tell her and has no plans to ever tell her, claiming he has successfully reconciled with his wife who knows nothing about what she apparently just reconciled over or even the fact that she was betrayed to begin with. There is a word for people who don't tell the truth to anyone, not the people they love, the people that reach out to help them, or even themselves. There is another word for people who people who describe themselves in positive, grandiose terms in an attempt to make themselves feel better about the things they did, the lies they told and the people they hurt, but who are tired of having to carry that burden and would rather just consider themselves to be a stand-up person again. Neither of those words are "healed" or "reconciled".

What I do know is I am living my situation and no one else here is. I actually do know what's going on in my life and those of my family. You can only make inferences based upon your own experiences. If you think what I am doing is wrong, great. But I know what's in my mind and heart and I know that path I'm taking is the right one. If that doesn't fall into your definition of R, cool. But I know what really happening in my life. You do not.

Bullshit. Excuses. Misdirection. Justifications. Smarmy smugness. And dismissive to my wife. Here's what *I* know. I know that even though I don't know where you live, I do know that the grass is green and the sky is blue there, because that's how it is everywhere. I'm not there when you poop, but I know it stinks, because that's how it works for everyone. And I know you lied to and betrayed your wife, and did not, have not, and will not, ever, tell her, OR your kids. And that makes you a current, active, liar and betrayer. It does today. It will again tomorrow. You are as wayward as the day you got here, you have just learned what to say to get your attention kibbles here, positive or negative, but they are here. This is where you come when the guilt creeps in, and you can't face your wife but you can face us because we're faceless and don't matter.

You cannot be in a relationship, reconciled or otherwise, when you are actively lying to that person, and stealing their agency, their ability to decide for themselves what they want and what is acceptable. You keep saying that you know what is best for you and your family, but you are such a spineless, selfish coward that you will not allow them to make those decisions for themselves. There is nothing that is decent, noble, generous or kind in that. That is controlling, manipulative and downright evil, even more so now than during the affair, because now you know a lot more, have more support, and yet, still choose to be a betrayer and liar while coming here to tell us how much you've changed. You do not tell them because you are protecting yourself. You choose not to see that. The grass is green and the sky is blue. Just because you choose not to see it doesn't mean it's not true.

Me: WS
BS: ISurvivedSoFar
D-Day Nov '16
Status: Reconciling
"I am floored by the amount of grace and love she has shown me in choosing to stay and fight for our marriage. I took everything from her, and yet she chose to forgive me."

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HellFire ( member #59305) posted at 9:58 PM on Tuesday, December 8th, 2020

Thanks DF. I'm sorry thats happened I

don't think you divorcing your husband,who wanted a divorce, was the wrong decision.

((((DF))))

[This message edited by HellFire at 4:09 PM, December 8th (Tuesday)]

But you are what you did
And I'll forget you, but I'll never forgive
The smallest man who ever lived..

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WalkinOnEggshelz ( Administrator #29447) posted at 10:07 PM on Tuesday, December 8th, 2020

There are places for WS's to post their stories and their views on their changes. Wayward section is a great place and if that doesn't work because it is steeped in more acute issues related to infidelity then let's start another forum inside here for Waywards to express their journey.

I think it is very important to note that Waywards are not discouraged from posting positive experiences. Waywards also have a very special place that has protection in order to work the not so positive aspects. In addition, Waywards that are not in reconciliation have a thread of their own in I Can Relate to discuss the unique experiences of trying to survive infidelity without a partner.

No. Other. Site. has this amount of support for wayward members.

If you keep asking people to give you the benefit of the doubt, they will eventually start to doubt your benefit.

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WalkinOnEggshelz ( Administrator #29447) posted at 10:16 PM on Tuesday, December 8th, 2020

So who gets to choose what reconciliation means outside of the Webster definition?

I think that reconciliation can be one of those words that has different meanings for people.

In the case of surviving infidelity I believe that the two people that are attempting to reconcile are the only ones that can decide what meaning to put with it. In order to do that, the decision can not be unilateral. It would need to be an agreed upon condition of both members.

If you keep asking people to give you the benefit of the doubt, they will eventually start to doubt your benefit.

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ff4152 ( member #55404) posted at 10:18 PM on Tuesday, December 8th, 2020

Daddydom

And I know you lied to and betrayed your wife, and did not, have not, and will not, ever, tell her, OR your kids. And that makes you a current, active, liar and betrayer. It does today. It will again tomorrow. You are as wayward as the day you got here, you have just learned what to say to get your attention kibbles here, positive or negative, but they are here. This is where you come when the guilt creeps in, and you can't face your wife but you can face us because we're faceless and don't matter.

So, you're a mind reader now?

I will accept FF's reconciliation story

The thing is, I don't need your acceptance any more than I need your agreement or understanding on the path I've taken.

you are such a spineless, selfish coward

This spineless, selfish coward has always been respectful here yet you've resorted to name calling. Funny how that works. Bravo.

[This message edited by ff4152 at 4:19 PM, December 8th (Tuesday)]

Me -FWS

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Darkness Falls ( member #27879) posted at 10:29 PM on Tuesday, December 8th, 2020

No. Other. Site. has this amount of support for wayward members.

I completely agree. When I made the statement I made, I was paraphrasing other members. I am aware that we are allowed by the staff to post positive stories and comments, and I am very appreciative of the ICR thread.

Married -> I cheated -> We divorced -> We remarried -> Had two kids -> Now we’re miserable again

Staying together for the kids

D-day 2010

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WalkinOnEggshelz ( Administrator #29447) posted at 10:43 PM on Tuesday, December 8th, 2020

This topic is being locked at the OP’s request.

If you keep asking people to give you the benefit of the doubt, they will eventually start to doubt your benefit.

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