HouseOfPlane
If she is visiting his social media, then the affair is still ongoing
I think you are correct here.
That means it hasn’t been 6 months. It’s been since the last time she took a physical action (mouse clicks) to keep the link alive.
This is a very good insight. I need to get clear on my definitions and boundaries, and then communicate them to her effectively.
gr8ful
What consequences has your wife experienced from her evil choices? And what have you done as a result of her breaking no contact?
Not enough for sure. One of my weak spots is being too nice with people and allowing people too much leeway. I'm working on this. If she refused to promise me, I had a list of consequences that I was planning to pick from and implement. However she did promise. But as has been pointed out by The1stWife, she has proven that she is willing to lie before and is likely to do it again. Honestly the only way I can see to determine if this is happing is to:
1. Have her take another lie detector test.
2. Hire a PI or something along those lines to try and catch her.
3. Go on faith and hope for the best.
Maybe I'm missing an option here but if she is willing to lie and sneak around, it's going to be very difficult to catch her in the act. She owns her own business that requires that she is always driving to different places in the city and spending time with clients or contractors.
Of those options it seems like #1 is the best option. Clearly communicate my boundaries, then after some time have her take the test and see if she is actually adhering to them, then implement consequences as necessary. Of course if she outwardly continues to do things I am against I will have to take action earlier.
InkHulk
You can choose to wait and give her time to come around, but nothing about what you describe should be thought of as "normal". It is awful and abusive, and either you are being wildly graceful or codependent to accept it, even temporarily.
It's probably a little of both. I have always been easy on the forgiving people thing (see my previous mention of my character flaw above), and I am learning to hold my boundaries more and more from this experience. Mostly I have been
worried about three things in this process:
1. She is not really committed to R, or doesn't love me enough to go through this process.
2. It will get swept under the rug, and will spring up again later.
3. Pushing too hard and making things so difficult that no matter what she wants I push her away.
I am trying to find the balance between these concerns. I wan R, but not if she doesn't, or if she wants to sweep it under the rug. I want R as long as she is willing to change into someone I can feel safe with again.
Talisman
Thank you for your take on my situation. Many of these thoughts have crossed my mind for sure in the past 7 months.
At a minimum I think she feels like she loves us both, and is emotionally split between us. I have often wondered if comfortability is the reason she stayed, and also the reason I stayed. Thats one of the reasons I am trying so hard to make sure there is no rug sweeping going on.
5. You must appear very weak to your wife in your pick me dance and "knowing that you wanted to reconcile immediately" has got to be the weakest thing she (and I) ever heard.
I have felt like this many times. The reasons I chose to reconcile that same day were:
1. She willingly told me about the affair rather than me finding out through other means. If she wasn't interested in staying there would be no reason to do that were my thoughts at the time. Looking back on it now, one other explanation could be that she didn't think AP would divorce his wife and take her instead so maybe I'm second choice? But given the situation at the time, that reason was the only one that occurred to me.
2. She promised she would end the affair fully and be 100% honest with me. Clearly this didn't happen, and her promises I couldn't rely on. However at the time I was in shock and (stupidly) thought she would hold to her promises. But again that is the reason I am asking questions like this on this forum. There is a lot of stuff talking about how AP's path to R is rocky, and full of setbacks for the first few months. This is why I'm trying to figure out how patient to be with this process.
You really need to come to the conclusion that this marriage is toast if it every really existed.
Unfortunately the marriage I thought we had, and the woman I thought I was with were not real. They only existed in my head. This was very difficult for me to accept for several months.
4. Your wife told you about the affair for one or more of a few possible reasons: she did not want to bear the burden of sneaking around alone, the same for the burden of being pregnant and then aborting the baby (very selfish person)
Can you help me better understand what you are saying here?
The1stWife
1. Read up on the affair fog. That’s where your wife’s mindset is.
2. An affair can be like an addiction. The cheaters are addicted to the ego boost the affair provided. They miss the "I love you" and"you’re so wonderful" comments from the cheater affair partner.
Agree with both points. My concern is where is the boundary between affair fog (that I should be patient with), and continuing the affair or not being committed to R (and I need to start taking more intense steps)?
Then while I thought we were Reconciling he had resumed the affair and was still cheating.
How did you find out he was cheating? Is I've mentioned above it's very difficult for me to catch my wife in the act because of several factors. But most importantly she was very careful with the affair. Almost like she had planned it or something, which I could totally believe, but she said she didn't.
Gently you telling your wife she MUST stop stalking the OM is not going to work. She has proven she will do it secretly. She is still in the affair fog and has not had a dose of reality.
I think you are spot on here. It seems like I just need to figure out my boundaries, communicate them to her, and then (they hard part) hold to them.
Last point, when the cheater realizes they are no longer in control one of two things happen. They wise up and get on board with being 100% committed to Reconciliation OR they show you who they are and continue to lie and disrespect their spouse and marriage.
Agree on this point as well. However I'm trying to not push her away if there is a part of her that is willing to stay, which it seems like there is, but I could be wrong.
When I was in high school there was a couple of kids that really enjoyed tormenting me. The would do things that would make me really angry with them, but never things big enough for the teachers to do anything about. Things like throwing small items at me when the teacher was not looking. Or coming up with "pet" names they knew irritated me.
Anyway the point of the story is, sometimes the post affair relationship feels like that. She is careful most of the time to stay within bounds where if I do anything it looks like I'm the one giving up on the relationship, or it looks like I'm being the jerk. She is doing work to fix the relationship. She seems like she cares about me, and is just having a difficult time breaking it off with him. But there are these things that are irritating me. Not enough to take any big actions, but they are still there. I wish she would stop the actions and fully commit, or do something stupid that forces my hand so I'm not in this strange limbo state anymore.