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Life 8-years after discovery

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 Oldwounds (original poster member #54486) posted at 8:30 PM on Thursday, May 30th, 2024

A day or two early again this year, but really, the process that led to my wife's very belated confession really started around Memorial Day 8-years ago.

This one is different.

Previously, my annual update was cathartic -- part of my healing and a way to measure progress.

This year, I don't need to do this to heal, I find I'm more at peace than at other time in my life.

Before I get going, I do like to remind folks that I don't care what path you take to heal. You do you, be it D or R or some kind of deal that takes you forward. I just hope that all of us here find a way forward.

I'm not here to sell anything or project my results in hopes everyone finds their way through the way I did.

Between a PM I received and another thread I recently read, some people don't understand how anyone can ever say their life is better, or their M is better after infidelity. For those members who tend to be bothered by happily reconciled members, skip this thread.

However, I do understand why people don't understand the 'better' aspect of it.

The horror show of an A did not make me better. Or my M, or my wife. The A is the most painful and by far and away the most traumatic emotional devastation I have experienced in my existence. As I've often said, I'll aways hate the A, I will never be glad it happened.

We all experience loss, pain and trauma.

It's what we do once we process that pain and sadness. We can choose to focus on today rather than the past (which was a revelation to the more miserable version of me).

And it took me THREE YEARS just to process all of that pain and suffering. I really think suffering is the best way to describe those early years.

Somewhere along the line, I got back on my feet. Somewhere in there I figured out what I wanted with my life and if the M was going to be a part of it.

Then I went after what I wanted.

While I agree no one is owed a last chance, there can be something transformational to some of those people who grab a hold of the opportunity.

We're all flawed, some more than others for damn sure. Some of us are capable of learning and becoming far better people.

No magic, no rainbows, no one won the lottery.

We worked our asses off to glue five million shattered pieces of our relationship back together into something we both wanted.

I don't mean for it to be an oversimplification, I mean this is eight years later. That's a lot of time and a lot of work.

The relationship is better because we're much kinder to each other, we're much more vulnerable, much more caring, and are able to communicate any reaming differences in a civil way. Each day we get a little better at it and the trauma moves a little farther back into the past.

We chose to retire early, we earned that choice by working our asses off from very humble beginnings. This means we're together all the time. And every day we're happy we didn't give up on the other. There is a power in that, there is something special about conquering the pain and sadness as a team. That doesn't replace the sense of loss one feels after an A, but making new memories is a good thing.

I have also noted before, there is a good chance it took both me and my wife years and years to really understand love the way we do now. Of course, I wouldn't recommend our particular batch of hard lessons to anyone trying to be on a path to joy -- yet here we are.

I have good days and bad days, like the rest of the planet. I also appreciate the work we did to find some more joy along the way.

Life is good. It's really good.

I am grateful for all of the kindness of strangers here at SI. I got great advice from people who chose R, I got great advice from the people who chose D. I am lucky to have found a place that helped me on some of my worst days, and helped my to these better days. I hope everyone here finds better days ahead.

Married 36+ years, together 41+ years
Two awesome adult sons.
Dday 6/16 4-year LTA Survived.
M Restored
"It is better to conquer our grief than to deceive it." — Seneca

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Tanner ( Guide #72235) posted at 3:09 AM on Friday, May 31st, 2024

Thank you for the update and paying it forward. Your story and annual updates have helped me and my W so much. SI is like no other place on the web. I wish I never had to find SI but so glad I did.

Dday Sept 7 2019 doing well in R BH M 32 years

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Notaboringwife ( member #74302) posted at 11:22 AM on Friday, May 31st, 2024

Thank you very very much Oldwounds for sharing.
Just that.
🙏

fBW. My scarred heart has an old soul.

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Trumansworld ( member #84431) posted at 3:14 PM on Friday, May 31st, 2024

Thank you.

BW 63WH 65DD 12/01/2023M 43Together 48

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 3:47 PM on Friday, May 31st, 2024

You do you, be it D or R or some kind of deal that takes you forward. I just hope that all of us here find a way forward.

I really like that line. I base a lot of my advice on my tag-line: If you are unhappy you can chose to remain there or go somewhere else... That going somewhere else is moving forward. Might not get you right away to the end-line, but get's you closer to where you eventually find your happiness.

Welcome to your happiness Oldwounds. Enjoy a short pause and maybe going onwards won't have to be so radical and fast, but definitely keep moving forwards!

[This message edited by SI Staff at 3:47 PM, Friday, May 31st]

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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Devastated0ne ( new member #83143) posted at 4:24 PM on Friday, May 31st, 2024

Oldwounds I am very happy for you both. You guys did the work. You and I both found out years later and we found out about the same time. I have a question for you. Did you have questions that your wife just wouldn’t answer? I got a lot of "I don’t know" and "I don’t remember". My wife doesn’t like talking about it so I just quit, I wasn’t getting answers anyway.
I was on here as Jimmy1962 but I was permanently banned because I condoned violence! Maybe I will be banned again!

They say "Shit Could Be Worse" but I find that hard to believe.

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Fantastic ( member #84663) posted at 4:29 PM on Friday, May 31st, 2024

It is with great pleasure that I read these stories. Thank you for sharing.

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 Oldwounds (original poster member #54486) posted at 10:31 PM on Friday, May 31st, 2024

Hey Jimmy -

I recall your story, I hope you have healed a bit more since then.

Oldwounds I am very happy for you both. You guys did the work. You and I both found out years later and we found out about the same time. I have a question for you. Did you have questions that your wife just wouldn’t answer? I got a lot of "I don’t know" and "I don’t remember". My wife doesn’t like talking about it so I just quit, I wasn’t getting answers anyway.

Since it was a "years later" confession, my wife did struggle to recall things. The A was just before smart phones kicked in, so I had no texts (or photos, thankfully) to deal with. However, I have a very good memory. I’m one of those people who has memories going back to when I was two years old. So, I was able to recall which weekends I was on the road, and what weekend mornings I worked, etc. I was able to help her put her timeline together.

But she still took time to remember things and she certainly saved some of the worst stuff for last.

You mentioned us ‘both’ doing the work. Part of my wife’s work was finally understanding that when she worked hard to find those answers, and man, some of those answers are beyond horrific — it built back some lost trust. No one, and I mean no one likes to reveal their worst days and worst moments.

I wanted an accounting of the time lost to me, the effort, the care, etc.

In the end, it’s an imperfect memory we have, she did the best she could, I feel like I have 95 percent of the story. That’s plenty. Then I assume the worst of the five percent I don’t know. None of the answers are good and at some point, I have to choose to let the past be the past.

The effort to try and remember is what mattered, the effort to help me understand what I will never understand is what mattered. That’s what the 5 billion questions are for. We finally realize after all the replays, there is nothing we can do to change the past.

We only have the person in front of us to work with. It’s what changes are made, it’s the investment into rebuilding the M that can make a difference.

If your wife understands revealing the horrible truth can sometimes help more than it hurts, maybe you can get a couple of answers you need.

Married 36+ years, together 41+ years
Two awesome adult sons.
Dday 6/16 4-year LTA Survived.
M Restored
"It is better to conquer our grief than to deceive it." — Seneca

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 Oldwounds (original poster member #54486) posted at 10:35 PM on Friday, May 31st, 2024

Hey Bigger!

Thanks for the kind words!

I really like that line. I base a lot of my advice on my tag-line: If you are unhappy you can chose to remain there or go somewhere else... That going somewhere else is moving forward. Might not get you right away to the end-line, but get's you closer to where you eventually find your happiness.

Well your tagline and mine were very helpful in my journey back from depression. The Stoics are a substantive influence for more with their focus on what matters, what we can or can’t control.

What’s more powerful than knowing we can choose our response to adversity?

I can’t control anyone else, but I do I have vote about what to focus on.

Married 36+ years, together 41+ years
Two awesome adult sons.
Dday 6/16 4-year LTA Survived.
M Restored
"It is better to conquer our grief than to deceive it." — Seneca

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 Oldwounds (original poster member #54486) posted at 10:36 PM on Friday, May 31st, 2024

Thanks Tanner!

You pay it forward everyday here as a volunteer, which is very cool.

I hope things are going as well as they can be with you and yours!

Married 36+ years, together 41+ years
Two awesome adult sons.
Dday 6/16 4-year LTA Survived.
M Restored
"It is better to conquer our grief than to deceive it." — Seneca

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waitedwaytoolong ( member #51519) posted at 1:36 AM on Saturday, June 1st, 2024

Between a PM I received and another thread I recently read, some people don't understand how anyone can ever say their life is better, or their M is better after infidelity. For those members who tend to be bothered by happily reconciled members, skip this thread.

I have to say that prior to joining SI and for a long time after, I was in this group. Truthfully I still can’t understand it, but your story in particular has changed my thinking that it is possible to have a better marriage. So many of the stories where the marriage survives, or even thrives are written by BS’s that are frankly weak and just want to keep the marriage no matter what the cost to their souls.

That however is not you. You are a strong decisive person who my guess doesn’t tolerate much bullcrap. Yet you have come out the other end and are a beacon of hope for many. What you went through wouldn’t have worked for me, but I admire that you did. Congratulations

I am the cliched husband whose wife had an affair with the electrician

Divorced

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 Oldwounds (original poster member #54486) posted at 4:38 PM on Saturday, June 1st, 2024

Hey Waited!

I have to say that prior to joining SI and for a long time after, I was in this group. Truthfully I still can’t understand it, but your story in particular has changed my thinking that it is possible to have a better marriage. So many of the stories where the marriage survives, or even thrives are written by BS’s that are frankly weak and just want to keep the marriage no matter what the cost to their souls.

There is still a cost — that’s for sure. Infidelity scars all of us.

I understand your path, because I was certain that’s the path I was going to take. I thought I would hang in too long and build up massive resentments and eventually leave. Two years into my R, my wife I thought the M was done, that love wasn’t going to be enough to save it. And it was true, it was going a massive amount of compassion, understanding and empathy at much higher levels than ever before to get the ‘work’ going the right direction.

The only members here I do not understand are folks trapped in limbo forever or simply stay in a state of misery with their spouse.

There is only one reason to stay in the M, and that’s to build a relationship worth being in.

You were the one who reminded me, and it is something I repeat all the time, no spouse is OWED a last chance. That’s the reminder that made me step back and figure out what I really wanted. That’s important, because if at any time the M isn’t what I want now or need it be now, then I know where the front door is.

That however is not you. You are a strong decisive person who my guess doesn’t tolerate much bullcrap. Yet you have come out the other end and are a beacon of hope for many. What you went through wouldn’t have worked for me, but I admire that you did. Congratulations

Thanks, this is some high praise indeed!

My father, who never complimented me or anyone else during his time on earth, told me he respected how decisive I was just before he passed away.

Life is too short to choose misery, so I opted for joy. Sometimes we do hit what we aim for.

Married 36+ years, together 41+ years
Two awesome adult sons.
Dday 6/16 4-year LTA Survived.
M Restored
"It is better to conquer our grief than to deceive it." — Seneca

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sisoon ( Moderator #31240) posted at 3:57 PM on Sunday, June 2nd, 2024

Congratulations, Ow and Mrs. Ow. I wish you many more years of enjoying each other.

Thanks for sharing your story.

fBH (me) - on d-day: 66, Married 43, together 45, same sex ap
DDay - 12/22/2010
Recover'd and R'ed
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BearlyBreathing ( member #55075) posted at 6:38 PM on Sunday, June 2nd, 2024

Your story is such a great reminder that there are many ways to get out of infidelity, and none of them are easy and none take us back to where we were before the A.

I am so happy for you and Mrs OW and hope that you have many more amazing years together. And thank you for being one of the many valued voices here at SI.

Me: BS 57 (49 on d-day)Him: *who cares ;-) *. D-Day 8/15/2016 LTA. Kinda liking my new life :-)

**horrible typist, lots of edits to correct. :-/ **

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PeaceLily210 ( member #48607) posted at 3:52 AM on Monday, June 3rd, 2024

After about 3.5 years, I poked my head in here not knowing what to expect... definitely didn't expect to see familiar names right off the bat - but there you are.

I just happened to be cleaning out a filing cabinet and came across my folder with journal pages, articles, tidbits from here that I'd printed and saved along with all of the A info I'd catalogued and printed. The folder made me wonder how y'all were doing and if anyone that had helped me along the way was still here.

Thanks for the update. It's good to see another couple in R still plugging away and finding peace and joy in life. I know exactly what you are saying about the M being better after the aftermath. It's the same with us. Things got so ugly I didn't think we'd ever make it through, but here we are truly finding a better M, better communication, and two much healthier people 9 years after my first discovery and nearly 5 years after the final disclosure. We will celebrate our 20th wedding anniversary next month. We too are both happy that we put in the work (and still do). Our faith in God has definitely been a big part of our healing process. We love and enjoy each other in a much deeper way than we did before.

Congratulations on your early retirement and enjoy!!

Peace

He cheated - It was bad
He changed - yes, they can change
We both put in the work and continue to work on our healed M.
R is possible!

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Onward1 ( member #77367) posted at 2:10 PM on Monday, June 3rd, 2024

Oldwounds, I'm happy to hear that your marriage continues to grow and flourish. You've been a voice of clarity for me and I'll always be grateful.

Congratulations on your retirement!

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 Oldwounds (original poster member #54486) posted at 5:29 PM on Tuesday, June 4th, 2024

A PeaceLily sighting!

It's good to see another couple in R still plugging away and finding peace and joy in life. I know exactly what you are saying about the M being better after the aftermath. It's the same with us.

Thanks for your update, glad you and yours are doing well! Have a happy anniversary next month (that’s when ours is too)!

Married 36+ years, together 41+ years
Two awesome adult sons.
Dday 6/16 4-year LTA Survived.
M Restored
"It is better to conquer our grief than to deceive it." — Seneca

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 Oldwounds (original poster member #54486) posted at 5:33 PM on Tuesday, June 4th, 2024

Hey Onward1,

Oldwounds, I'm happy to hear that your marriage continues to grow and flourish. You've been a voice of clarity for me and I'll always be grateful.

Congratulations on your retirement!

Thanks very much! If any of my ramblings were ever helpful, that’s a good thing.

Married 36+ years, together 41+ years
Two awesome adult sons.
Dday 6/16 4-year LTA Survived.
M Restored
"It is better to conquer our grief than to deceive it." — Seneca

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78monte ( member #72572) posted at 1:53 AM on Wednesday, June 5th, 2024

Hi Old Wounds,
As always I'm happy to hear how things are going with you and Mrs Old Wounds.
I'm glad to have had you be there to help me through some rough patches.
Be well, my friend. smile

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HouseOfPlane ( member #45739) posted at 1:40 PM on Wednesday, June 5th, 2024

I find a lot of people here are desperately scared of having a better marriage after the A because that could then be considered to imply that the A was OK or even A Good Thing, which reveals just how much people tend to live their lives in the past, driving forward but staring at the rear view mirror. They will sacrifice even an attempt at future happiness to avoid even a perception that the negative story about the past isn’t as negative as it appears, because if the story is wrong, and they are that story, then who are they?

But not you. 😀

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with your one wild and precious life?”
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